When I read some of these theists’ posts, I feel disheartened and frustrated. It seems a lost cause. Apparently, putting things into layman’s terms doesn’t even make a dent, and of this they are proud because it is a testament to their degree of faith. They want to believe, therefore they become deaf to contention.
Once you learn that a day- 24 hours, is a measurement of the time it takes for the Earth to complete a rotation, this should call into question your acceptance of the Earth being created in 6 days. Days, as we understand them, are the result of the Earth’s rotation. If the Earth was not yet created and rotating, what is the standard of measurement for the passage of time, or does time even exist? Even if we say God finished the Earth in one day, immediately set it into rotation and therefore time had begun, this is refuted by our scientific understanding of how the Earth and the moon were set into motion. If we refute the scientific understanding of the creation of the Earth, then we are also undermining logical, plausible, demonstrable explanations of volcanoes, salt in the oceans, thunder, storms, lightening, ozone, energy, etc…all of nature and the laws by which it so effectively functions. To accept the Biblical telling of the creation of Earth and life is to contradict science and leaves the questions that science has already answered, unresolved. However, by studying science and the laws of nature, medicine and monuments were created. Everything that has come to be is a reaction from the initial burst of energy that created the universe. That energy caused particles to move, combine, interact and react. Those reactions created elements, molecules, chemicals as well as what we have come to know as stars, black holes, comets, planets, moons and galaxies. Within these galaxies are worlds that prevail contingent upon the conditions in which they were born. For instance, the Earth’s live-supporting properties rely heavily upon it’s distance from the sun. Should the distance change, so does the capacity to support various forms of life. These deductions cannot be made from any of the ‘facts’ in the Bible no matter how many times you interpret it.
Arguing with a theist is like arguing with a toddler. It’s senseless. A toddler is not rational, nor does it become rational after further reasoning. (Never argue with a fool; from a distance, you can’t tell who’s who). To be rational, you have to start from rational. Here’s what we are to believe (even though we now know more about the universe’s multiple galaxies, at the time the Bible was written, they didn’t even know there was a Western Hemisphere or a round Earth): Long long ago, but no too long ago, there was a spiritual being that decided that he was going to create mini-me’s and let them live naked and happy in paradise. This paradise was somewhere in the Middle East. He wanted to test these “children” so he made an arbitrary rule about not eating fruit from a specific tree in the garden (already with the games). They didn’t listen (he should have known that they wouldn’t) so he punished them–banished them, made them suffer and then hundreds of years later, sent a son to save them…(whaaat?) And by son, it means born of God and a virgin (which translates to: Mary got knocked up and we don’t know who the father is). In order to save humanity, this son had to allow fellow man to crucify him. He gave his creations free will. However, they are not free to use that will if they want to make it back to the Kingdom of God. Instead, they must adhere to a book of rules and stories that was written by various hands over decades with edits and omissions. This book will not be updated to coincide with the times but will be reinterpreted over and over and again until denominations are born. The language will remain vague and contradictory. When it’s all over, the son of God will come back, have a fight with the devil and the people that believed and gave their lives to Christ will rise into the heavens (which we now know to be outer space).
God sounds more and more human based on these trust games and emotions e.g. God is a jealous God: how could God be jealous? I thought he’d be above all those human sentiments. Especially because part of jealousy is feeling threatened. How can the supernatural creator feel threatened by his mortal creation–especially if the creator already knows the end to the story? Sounds a bit immature.
I could never understand where God came from. Everything has to start from something, right? What was God doing before he made humans? Why the hell did he make roaches? I hate roaches. Does he like roaches? What is God’s retirement plan, you know, after the second coming (of Christ)?
I understand that believing in God is comforting; so is sucking on a pacifier. Incidentally, the latter is a habit that we break. The former, people lose lives over.
And this heaven place. How big is it? One portion of the Bible says that you will not know your loved ones in heaven but will love everyone alike. That would mean that when a person gets to heaven no one is familiar and there are no relationships. Also, it’s assumed that the form one takes in heaven is the same as the form we are on Earth. This means that we will have noses to breathe even though we don’t need to, and we will see, hear and feel without use of our brains. Does this also mean that we will have anuses? Apparently (evidenced by those that believe they will be met by 27 virgins), we would keep our genitals, even though there’s no need to reproduce since the population growth would be pretty steady; not to mention there is a maximum occupancy. And if it’s ok to have recreational sex in heaven, why is it a sin to fornicate while still alive? –thall shall be done on Earth as it is in Heaven
On my “about” page, I mentioned that life is a common experience made up of common experiences. So, since the beginning of mankind, the process is that you are born into a clan. This clan is responsible for teaching you the ways of the world. You are innocent, fresh-minded and curious. You crave knowledge. You imitate the behaviors you observe. You have questions and the big people around you seem to have answers. You believe what they tell you until you learn otherwise. Meanwhile, as adults, the big people are only passing down what they have learned and were taught as a child–right or wrong. In your teens, you shed the wonderment of childhood and enter the emotional, hormonal commencement of adulthood. You question authority, including your parents; you feel enlightened from your prepubescent ignorance. Along with the ignorance of childhood, you long ago shed the belief in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and the stork. Still, because your parents or community reinforce it, you believe in God.
There is no way to justify a god that created the sun, the moon, the Earth and the stars but never introduced himself to the Mayans, Egyptians, Inca, Greeks, Romans, etc. This god does reveal himself to a select few–the chosen people that we later refer to as prophets. Unfortunately, different religions have different prophets that made different prophecies. There’s no way to justify a god that has a “chosen people”. There is no way to justify a god that loves us so much that there are impoverished nations and millions of diseased and starving children. And for those that are pro-life, there is no way to justify a god that chooses to create deformed and disabled children. We can tell the story of Job as consolation, but the fact is that an omnipotent, omniscient and philanthropic god would not justifiably subject his creation to the horrors and atrocities of life.
Ever noticed that the educated-most people are the least religious? Hmm…seems to be a correlation. Seems to be that the more you know, the less willing you are to eat crow. The more you know, the more the pieces fit together. The more you know, the more obvious it becomes. If there is one God then we should all be worshiping Him. If there is one God, there would not be religions, there would be one understanding.
It’s simply more comforting (as it was meant to be) to believe in a cozy, happy, peaceful after life when trying to cope with the harsh, miserable ills of life. So I used to say that I prefer to believe in God. After all, ignorance is bliss. But after awhile, with the more knowledge that is sought and gained, the more ignorance turns into denial. Ignorance became literally ignoring my own logic in order to believe . I could not do this. Prayers didn’t get answered and I didn’t get mad once I realized that I am praying to myself and that the only players involved in my destiny are myself and the laws of nature. To pray is less useful than to take action. And in times that no actions can be taken then it’s best to understand the laws of nature.